WCRS Podcast - What You Care About

Man on the Street : Columbus resident Frank James talks about peak oil


12:01 minutes (11 MB)

"The population we have right now--which is 7 billion people--cannot be sustained in the future w/ the energy sources that are going to be available... oil is such a special and unique substance that there is nothing that can replace it."

He said the Green Revolution that has been a tool for helping to feed the world's ever growing population (or at least that's what conventional wisdom holds), relies heavily on copious amounts of relatively cheap petroleum.

More or less summarizing and paraphrasing ideas from William Catton Jr's book Overshoot, James said human beings are similar to other species in terms of our numbers drastically increasing as we access more and more resources and then crashing as those resources diminish.

About his own prospects in a peak oil world, James said, "I'm a pessimist. I don't see myself surviving beyond a certain point. Once people realize life-as-we-know-it is basically going to end, and we have to go back to another type of living, I think it's going to be chaos...a lot of us are just not going to make it."

Mac Crawford, Transition Central Ohio


11:09 minutes (10.21 MB)

Some Columbus residents are part of Transition Central Ohio which is part of the international Transition Network based in the UK.

Mac Crawford and his wife Debbie Crawford spoke w/ about 15 people who were gathered, w/o AC, in the Spore Print Info Shop on W. 5th, to discuss ways to cope w/ peak oil.

Crawford, Clinical Assistant Professor of Environmental Health Sciences at OSU, is working on making our local and regional public health systems more ‘resilient.’

People who are part of the international Transition Network seem to use the term ‘resiliency’ frequently in their attempts to bend their minds around how communities may prepare for and adapt to peak oil.

Crawford said the transition movement doesn’t have all the answers.
“It may not even work. We don’t know. Right now, it’s a big experiment. But we do see it as a hopeful way to proceed."

"The only other way to proceed is to either ignore the issues or hope they get better, hope there’s a technical solution, hope that science comes up w/ a new energy source that is non-polluting, so that we can continue this culture the way it’s been going.”

Crawford is not counting on technical solutions to peak oil.

"We need to find a lower energy way to get by and I’m hopeful that we’ll do that. But there’s no guarantee,” Crawford said.

Pearl Market Manager Adam Schroeder


15:33 minutes (14.24 MB)

Two weeks ago Columbus officials told Pearl Market the tents that have been set up Tuesdays and Fridays the past two years on the sidewalks of Gay St and Broad St were in violation of city code.

As management scaled down the size of the market to comply w/ the city, some venders were not able to stay. Here’s what Adam Schroeder said about how that decision was made.

“ We looked at a number of different factors when deciding that--things like attendance; customer demand for the product; how that product may have been represented in the market in terms of the number of bakers, the number of bread venders, the number of jewelers. That kind of thing.

“We looked at sales history, how long they’d been participating in the market, (how well they had been) following the rules. That kind of thing.

"We tried to limit the number of venders we needed to remove. In some cases we went to venders and said, ‘you used to be a two-day-a-week vender, but we can now only have you one day a week, either Tuesdays or Fridays, or nothing.’ And they were happy to have the spot that we were able to offer them.”

Schroeder said he expects city council to resolve the matter, enabling the venders who were let go to be able to return. He also talked about the economic, political, and environmental importance of Pearl Market and other markets like it around Ohio and the nation.

Debbie Crawford of Transition Central Ohio


4:14 minutes (3.89 MB)

"Fear is not a good motivator. It may have a quick effect on some people. But I know w/ me, it almost makes me feel immobilized. If you're going to scare the hell out of me, it's not going to lead me to action."

Aaron Carmack -----Italian Village Community Garden


10:18 minutes (9.43 MB)

Frank Elmer and Ruth Glass have the property for sale for a price of about $130,000.
Carmack, one of the people gardening here said “everybody knows that the day that this lot sells, the days are numbered then for the garden.”

But for the past 3 years neighbors here have been growing flowers and vegetables. There are 16 raised beds, each about 4 ft x 16ft.

The garden gets plenty of sun all day. And this year Carmack and neighbor Jason Slaygle installed an irrigation system that operates automatically, watering the garden between 3 and 5 am each day. This cuts down on the amount of time they have to spend on watering, and according to some of the gardeners here, also cuts down on the amount of water used.

The water is drawn from Carmack’s home a couple hundred feet away. The cost is split among the gardeners.

And there is some involuntary sharing going on as well.

Megan Schmidt ---Italian Village Community Garden


2:38 minutes (2.41 MB)

Another Italian Village Community gardener who seemed to be enjoying the festive ambience that Sunday evening is Megan Schmidt

“We’ve been doing it for 3 years. Every year I add something new. I’ve really learned a lot over those 3 years…This year we decided to do okra, watermelon, raspberries, red onions...”

Schmidt also is growing Brussels sprouts, lettuce, green beans, cherry tomatoes, “mystery peppers” and Beefsteak tomatoes. Schmidt said the garden is a nice gathering place.
“It’s really fun. It (gardening) is more fun with your neighbors and friends.”

Living only a little ways down the street, she can go and grab while preparing her dinner.
“The best thing is eating what you grew out of your garden. It’s a good feeling.”

Schmidt also planted flowers such as Black Eyed Susans and Arizona Blanket Flowers.
“It adds color…and attracts butterflies and bees which is good for the garden.”

----Tom Over

Amy Gariff-Adams and Colin Adams--Italian Village Community Garden


3:48 minutes (3.48 MB)

Gariff-Adams said their plot has been a success. “We’ve tried shallots for the first time and they look great. Swiss chard took a little while to take off. Lettuce was awesome--pulled out but will be replanted in the fall. The mint is taking over. The tomatoes look lovely. We’re very pleased.”

“We had some trouble a couple years ago with Blossom End Rot. This year we don’t seem to have that…We’re hoping for the first time ever to can tomatoes this year.”

Her husband Collin explained the garden’s beginnings. “This all happened by sheer accident. Aaron (Carmack) asked the landowners here if we could throw in a few tomatoes and the landowners ( Frank Elmer and Ruth Glass ) said ‘why don’t you just start a community garden?’”

Adams said many of his fellow gardeners strive to be organic in their methods, but that he doesn’t. Referring to his tomatoes he said, “I Miracle-Gro the hell out of these things. And look at the bumper crop I’m getting this year.”

Earlier that evening I had marveled at the prolific clusters of tomatoes. As someone who considers himself an advocate of organic gardening and farming, hearing Adams attribute that burst of tomatoes to Miracle-Gro surprised and--for some mysterious reason-- amused me.

Jeanie and Drew Simmons Italian Village Community Garden


3:04 minutes (2.81 MB)

Jeanie and Drew Simmons cutting old t-shirts for tying cherry tomato plants to their stakes. Coarser materials such as twine can cause cuts in the plants as they grow.

As for someone buying the property and likely ending the garden here, Simmons said , “I definitely think we’ll look for some alternative since it’s been such a good experience, but until then, we’ll just enjoy what we have.”

Simmons said getting to know you’re neighbors is important if you want to have a community garden near your home.

Her husband Drew suggests that people simply jump into gardening.
“Just do it. I’m not much of a green thumb. Some stuff comes up every year. Some stuff doesn’t, but it’s great to see what you can do.”

The city leases properties to community gardeners for a low yearly fee. But Drew Simmons said it might be worthwhile to approach private owners about using lots they have for sale. Using someone else’s property while they try to sell it seems more of an option than a group of community gardeners buying it for that purpose. A property for sale near this garden is listed at about $70,000. The property where neighbors here currently garden is listed at $130,000.

Simmons said letting people have a community garden on properties for sale might appeal to at least some of the current owners and prospective buyers.

“About the pros and cons , there might be some people who look at the property and say ‘wow, I wouldn’t want to buy that property and then have neighbors who are upset because I’m the one who bought the garden property.’

Curtis Greczyn helps plant tomatoes and enjoys a cookout in 'Sunflower Alley.'


2:07 minutes (1.95 MB)

Hank Koehler talks about Four Seasons City Farm


8:18 minutes (7.6 MB)

Four Seasons City Farm has about 2.5 acres of cultivated land which 12 garden plots comprise on the East Side of Columbus. Last year’s harvest was about 2,000 lbs of produce, said Hank Koehler who runs the gardens.

Here’s Koehler’s run down, off the top of his head, of what they supply to restaurants and stores:

Greener Grocer: herbs, lettuce, and tomatoes

Clintonville Community Market: zucchini and tomatoes

Angry Baker: raspberries and lettuce

Black Creek Bistro: leaf lettuce, figs, tomatoes,

Yellow Brick Pizza: basil, tomatoes, leaf lettuce

Koehler estimates their revenue to have been about $2,000 last year. But I still want to find out how Four Seasons' income from selling produce and flowers compares with their operating costs.

While we're at it, does anyone have a sense of how many community gardens and urban farms in Columbus are paying their operating costs from the money made from sales of produce and/or money that comes from people working in the gardens ?

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